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it does not solve the deficit. it is not a serious deficit proposal. the credit rating agencies are looking for a plan that lowers the gdp to debt ratio. i do not think there is a magic number. social security, medicare, to find a sustainable path for word on them. do you think the president's plan adequately addresses the sustainability of medicare and social security? >> i think he needs to go further. i do not think it is enough. i believe the proposals are good ones. i think they are hard proposals to make because they're substantive. to achieve fiscal sustainability in the context of $3 trillion in 10-year deficit reduction, i think we need to do more. >> looking at the republican plan and the president's proposal, do you see any common ground? >> the common ground is that we're looking at the same proposals. cbo has scored a number of different approaches. i also think there is no general agreement in the context of the current discussion, we will not make any major structural changes to these programs. we will not block grant medicaid, and we wi
it does not solve the deficit. it is not a serious deficit proposal. the credit rating agencies are looking for a plan that lowers the gdp to debt ratio. i do not think there is a magic number. social security, medicare, to find a sustainable path for word on them. do you think the president's plan adequately addresses the sustainability of medicare and social security? >> i think he needs to go further. i do not think it is enough. i believe the proposals are good ones. i think they are...
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when you think about it, the deficits cast, ove a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it i nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you'rtalking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are getting older, living longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing ralistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is great to talk with you. i hope he will come back soon and often. amazing, as you saw. editorial cartoonist. up next ralph nader headlines a triumvirate of angry liberals over the weekend. we will have that straigh
when you think about it, the deficits cast, ove a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it i nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you'rtalking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is...
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that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this will be the president's fourth for which he is personally responsible, fourth deficit excess of a trillion dollars. president obama wants to plug that trillion dollars hole by raising taxes on household incomes, as we all know that have income over $250,000. the top 2%. that would bring in $802 million, $82 billion. that's about 8% of tha deficit. so does that suggest we have a tax problem or, perhaps, a spending problem? think about this. taxpayers making morethan $250,000 representing the top 2% paid morehan 46% of all texas. that would seem like a pretty fair deal to most of us, but the president says it is not fair. we don't know what that number is. how much should it be? and contrary to what the president would have you believe as he campaigns untack sites all around the country and ainst the wealthy, he's doing a lot of that. the bush tax rates are not the root of our problems. in fact, individual tax payments rose, get this, $2,303,000,000,000 or 26%. over the past two ye
that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this will be the president's fourth for which he is personally responsible, fourth deficit excess of a trillion dollars. president obama wants to plug that trillion dollars hole by raising taxes on household incomes, as we all know that have income over $250,000. the top 2%. that would bring in $802 million, $82 billion. that's about 8% of tha deficit. so does that suggest we have a tax problem or, perhaps, a spending...
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so security trust fund doesn't have anything to do with the debt and deficit. but the idea that we're going to simply kick the can on that and have across the board social security cuts, you know, 15 years from now because we didn't step up responsibly i think does a great disservice to those who expected to have those benefits when they reach retirement age. >> senator mark warner, thank you for your time today. >> thank you, richard. >>> let's bring in our political power panel, melinda, democratic strategist morris reed. let's start with you hogan. i want to start with this. senator harry reid used an interesting analogy on the floor to describe the current state of the republican party. listen to this first. >> he's got a problem. he has three quarter backs, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, a guy by the name of mcilroy. he can't describe who is going to be the quarterback. that's the same problem that the republicans are having. romney is there but he's in the background. who is the quarterback, mr. president. >> hogan, what do you think? who's the quarterback?
so security trust fund doesn't have anything to do with the debt and deficit. but the idea that we're going to simply kick the can on that and have across the board social security cuts, you know, 15 years from now because we didn't step up responsibly i think does a great disservice to those who expected to have those benefits when they reach retirement age. >> senator mark warner, thank you for your time today. >> thank you, richard. >>> let's bring in our political power...
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. >> this is not about getting a handle on deficits or debt for him. it's about spending even more than he has. >> white house aids reject the republican claims that holding the debt limit over the president's head is the only mechanism to get him to trim spending. >> you're just going to keep at the debt limit goes higher, you spend more money. you and congress, both. >> that's false. president signed into law a trillion dollars in discretionary cuts. the president has a specific proposal to achieve $600 billion in savings from entitlement programs like health care entitlement programs. >> jay compared republican pressure on the debt ceiling to a hostage taking. >> a profoundly bad idea that i think could not be more frightening for american businesses, and american workers. >> treasury secretary tim geithner may have frightened people yesterday saying the white house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff unless republicans bend on taxes. a comment by former democratic potential candidate howard deen frightened republicans that the debate is not just
. >> this is not about getting a handle on deficits or debt for him. it's about spending even more than he has. >> white house aids reject the republican claims that holding the debt limit over the president's head is the only mechanism to get him to trim spending. >> you're just going to keep at the debt limit goes higher, you spend more money. you and congress, both. >> that's false. president signed into law a trillion dollars in discretionary cuts. the president has...
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does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth during this past decade. we're finally now after ten straight years of manufacturing job decline hitting places like toledo and cleveland and cincinnati particularly hard, we're seeing now in the last two years after the auto rescue, after we're doing some of the right things here, we're seeing job growth. i agree with what nancy pelosi said. history improves itself. >> so based on history, this is about math and not ideology. the sense i get on the hill today, if you don't get the rate increase, you can forget everything else. >> we have seen in this country a decline in infrastr
does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth...
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we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and balanced is what we need. >> congresswoman diane black, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in our political power panel. political reporter, karen tumult, karen finney and robert trainam. karen, since i know you the best, i'm going to call you k-fin as not to confuse everyone. it seems the taxes are going to go up on the wealthy. the question is whether or not it's through the tax increases or closing the loopholes and the deductions. so do you think that we are closer to a deal today than yesterday if. >> i do. in that now they're puttin
we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and...
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number two, let's have a smart long term deficit reduction program that includes us doing some things right now that would help with job creation. number three let's not manufacture another debt ceiling crises and number four let's make sure that we're making the kind of investments in education and work force development, energy independence, infrastructure and research and development that ensures that we're innovating as we have in the past. >> rose: julianna goldman of bloomberg joins me from washington and she interviewed president obama on tuesday. that was an excerpt from her interview and i'm pleased to have her on this program. and congratulations first of all. >> charlie thanks very much. it was a great opportunity. >> rose: tell me how you found the president. not in terms of the sort of term temperment in terms of where his mind is set at this moment. >> there was a little bit of chitchat before we started the interview and i had the opportunity to congratulate him for the first time since his election. and i said you've been a little busy. he said yes no trip to disneywor
number two, let's have a smart long term deficit reduction program that includes us doing some things right now that would help with job creation. number three let's not manufacture another debt ceiling crises and number four let's make sure that we're making the kind of investments in education and work force development, energy independence, infrastructure and research and development that ensures that we're innovating as we have in the past. >> rose: julianna goldman of bloomberg joins...
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the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on the republicans. >> today, i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag my 2 k, not y2 k. >> the president was laughing about you the strategy, seriously effective. the my2k was one of the top trends on twitter all day long. republicans aren't too happy. they are getting outflanked. >> if the president wants to reach an agreement, he n
the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on...
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you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take? >> political will in a word. what is interesting about the jobs numbers and the economy in general is that it's not so much the fundamentals of the economy. businesses who hire people who create jobs which nancy pelosi is looking for are looking for political will out of washington. they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt re
you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7%...
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the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past. when americans are better off, they pay more in taxes. the government can pay for the usual things and pay down the debt. president clinton, the surplus, he got that partly from raising revenue. raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a beltway consensus when the economy needed to grow, you needed economic stimulus in terms of your fiscal policy. now the discussion about how we need to make sure we contract the economy and cause as much pain as pos
the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past. when americans are better off, they pay more in taxes. the government can pay for the usual things and pay down the debt. president clinton, the surplus, he got that partly from raising revenue. raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became...
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that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a complete waste of time. >> here's my criticism. they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend all the bush tax cuts and then the president and the senate or the president decides if they want to raise taxes on the middle class or not. put it on them. put the onus on them. >> they will have voted not to do that. obama has made a bet that the republican party is so inept at the politics of this that they will get stuck with it. he can hang the debt alba tros of the biggest tax increase in american history around their next. >> he wants it all. howard dean is the only guy i see that has said this is the best case scenario. they get defense sequestration, they get to raise taxes on ev
that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a complete waste of time. >> here's my criticism. they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend...
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we shouldn't have deficit reduction right now. we should focus on jobs and employment and continued stimulus for the economy, which i was really happy about the president at least had some of that in his plan. then you ask yourself, okay, what could you do in terms of reducing the deficit that would be the least damaging, and what economists say and what makes common sense is people at the top end of the income scale, who can afford to pay a little more, that's the place where we can raise the rates now and not have a major economic impact. so i take the governor's point, and i agree with it. we probably are going to -- if we're going to continue to make the promises and keep the promises that i think are so important and most progressives do, we probably need to raise taxes on a lot of people. it's a question of timing of when to make those choices. >> the rush limbaugh showed us today how difficult it is for john boehner and eric cantor to make the moves they've already made. let's listen to what rush said. >> what we got today
we shouldn't have deficit reduction right now. we should focus on jobs and employment and continued stimulus for the economy, which i was really happy about the president at least had some of that in his plan. then you ask yourself, okay, what could you do in terms of reducing the deficit that would be the least damaging, and what economists say and what makes common sense is people at the top end of the income scale, who can afford to pay a little more, that's the place where we can raise the...
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. >> bob: can you tell us 30 seconds to tell us how to get the deficit down? >> greg: stop spending. >> bob: i get that. >> eric: i don't need 30 seconds. go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of the country that will pay for the government for 8.5 days? >> bob: you couple that with the social security adjustments and medicare. 'canes that is not what geithner put on the table. >> dana: that is going to be on -- >> bob: that is what is going to be on the table. >> dana: republicans held their feet on the fire. >> bob: whatever it took. >> greg: i used to think howard dean was a proctologist because he had his head up his butt but he pulled the curtain back. it's never about raising taxes on the rich because you run out of rich. >> andrea: right. >> greg: that is the point. >> eric: raise tax
. >> bob: can you tell us 30 seconds to tell us how to get the deficit down? >> greg: stop spending. >> bob: i get that. >> eric: i don't need 30 seconds. go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of...
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now answer your question, social security has not added a penny to the federal debt, to the deficits every year. it has a surplus. it has a surplus of $2.7 trillion. so why are we in such a rush to change a program that does not have -- is not bankrupt, has a surplus, has 22 years of solvency before it does have a serious problem and has not contributed to the federal debt? >> and we can talk about these programs separately. we know that social security is considered to be in sounder shape than is medicare which is viewed as potentially running out of funds in the next few years, whereas social security -- but let's take them one at a time. when it comes to social security you have the simpson-bowles deficit reduction commission saying that if you don't deal with these programs you just can't be serious about getting your arms around this country's huge debt and deficit crisis. >> well, i go back to where i started. this program didn't add to the debt, hasn't contributed to the debt. we're not saying -- we're not a group that has our heads in the sand and is committed to never doing
now answer your question, social security has not added a penny to the federal debt, to the deficits every year. it has a surplus. it has a surplus of $2.7 trillion. so why are we in such a rush to change a program that does not have -- is not bankrupt, has a surplus, has 22 years of solvency before it does have a serious problem and has not contributed to the federal debt? >> and we can talk about these programs separately. we know that social security is considered to be in sounder...
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as it stand today, ow deficit and debt are unsustainable. last year we ran a budget deficit of well over $1 trillion and we now have a national debt that exceeds $16 trillion. if we don't get these numbers under control, interesting payments will inevitably skyrocket, taking up a larger and larger percentage of our budget, until they crowd out other critical pro-growth investments in our country's competitiveness and the essential social safety net that puts a circle of protection around the most vulnerable in our country. and, madam president, i don't believe either one of us wants to put those two vital things at risk venal whe. when the budget is so out of rick, we have to take a look at the money coming in and going out of the only way to get back on track is to address both sides of the equation -- revenue and spending. we have to find a balanced solution that combines tough spending cuts with reforms to our tax code that bring in more revenue while also ensuring fairness to taxpayers. there is, madam president, real momentum, i believe
as it stand today, ow deficit and debt are unsustainable. last year we ran a budget deficit of well over $1 trillion and we now have a national debt that exceeds $16 trillion. if we don't get these numbers under control, interesting payments will inevitably skyrocket, taking up a larger and larger percentage of our budget, until they crowd out other critical pro-growth investments in our country's competitiveness and the essential social safety net that puts a circle of protection around the...
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as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity without major spending cuts and entitle 347b9 reforms we will continue running a huge deficit regardless of what anyone does on either side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so
as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided...
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. >> absolutel >> and that is increasing and guess what, that adds up to the deficit, right? >> david, the probl is deeper than what you are describing. this goes back decades. when you look at entitlement spending over the last half century, it has steadily crept up four percent every year and that incdes adjustments for population growth. so what then? you increaseaxes four percent every year? that is absurd. at some point we need both parties to come together and tax this entitlement creep. we mention obama ape lot. he hasn't helped the numbers. but when you look at enment spending it goes up under a republican president. he can go in this and blame the republicans. >> i didt know there was a entitlement creep. maybe i got you wrorong. >> it is i an itch. >> and john, what about this. we have a budget if you can call it a budget that includes tax increases and no cuts at all from our treasury security. >> the tax increase aspect is ridickulous. we have a spending problem . you look at entitlements. i think it is i i don't they should exist. we did make promises and so the
. >> absolutel >> and that is increasing and guess what, that adds up to the deficit, right? >> david, the probl is deeper than what you are describing. this goes back decades. when you look at entitlement spending over the last half century, it has steadily crept up four percent every year and that incdes adjustments for population growth. so what then? you increaseaxes four percent every year? that is absurd. at some point we need both parties to come together and tax this...
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the percentage of your debt as the deficit to the gdp. the deficit to gdp. a deficit to gdp. now, we don't want to get there that we. the same way we don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. in other words, the fiscal cliff is a big austerity. we get $7 trillion in the deficit reduction over the last ten years. but you don't do it the way we want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, we have to work together as part of an agreement to get the right baseline but that doesn't mean it is not for real world deficit reduction. it is. does it mean that it's better than the current law? maybe not. but there is an agreement that in the fiscal cliff is not the best way. >> we could add the baseline. the deficit to gdp. >> you said the deficit. >> you look at the current line baseline and get under 1% of deficit to gdp. >> seven years and 7 trillion of debt reduction. if anybody wants to read more about, please look at that space on what it takes. i thank you all for being here today. one reason we have to end it is that these people are going to be so instrumental in getting us out
the percentage of your debt as the deficit to the gdp. the deficit to gdp. a deficit to gdp. now, we don't want to get there that we. the same way we don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. in other words, the fiscal cliff is a big austerity. we get $7 trillion in the deficit reduction over the last ten years. but you don't do it the way we want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, we have to work together as part of an agreement to get the right baseline but that doesn't mean it is not for...
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we went into deficits, deficits as far as the eye could see. deeper and deeper in debt. so you might ask, then, "senator boxer, why are you now supporting those tax cuts being renewed for 98% of the people?" and the answer is, it's a different time and a different place. we're getting out of a recession and we can make up the moneys we need to balance this budget by going just to the top rate, going to the people over $250,000. remember, this plan that we passed in july -- if we could go back to that chart -- that gives a tax break on the first $250,000 of income. and, in essence, giving everybody a tax break on that first $250,000. it's only after that that the taxes go back to clinton era. and because this is a different time and place, i support giving a tax break, continuing it for 98%, but asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share for the greatest country on the face of this earth. my father was born into dire poverty. he was the only one of nine children born in america. he was the only one of nine children to go to college at night in your great state, madam p
we went into deficits, deficits as far as the eye could see. deeper and deeper in debt. so you might ask, then, "senator boxer, why are you now supporting those tax cuts being renewed for 98% of the people?" and the answer is, it's a different time and a different place. we're getting out of a recession and we can make up the moneys we need to balance this budget by going just to the top rate, going to the people over $250,000. remember, this plan that we passed in july -- if we could...
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anything on entitlements, would prefer frankly not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems. if you look at the numbers, then medicare in particular, will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program, no matter how much taxes go up. i mean it's not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing. >> that was president obama in the summer of 2011 speaking the hard truths about entitlements. it did not exactly play well for him then and he's been largely quiet on the issue since, perhaps because for both parties talk of cutting social security and medicare hurts a lot. >> there's a pain point that democrats have to reach as well. it's not just republicans. that both sides have to be able to get to the end of this things and say, yes, the president won re-election but there is nobody that gets away with this thing without feeling pain. >> and there are some on the left who hope to get through this without having to go under the knife. adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign says -- yesterday on abc's "this week" congressman keith el
anything on entitlements, would prefer frankly not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems. if you look at the numbers, then medicare in particular, will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program, no matter how much taxes go up. i mean it's not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing. >> that was president obama in the summer of 2011 speaking the hard truths about entitlements. it did not exactly play well for him then and he's been...
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they're not about to do anything that helps with the deficit. they want higher taxes to spend even more money to put even more power in washington, d.c. to have an even bigger bureaucracy. >> greta: all right. let me tell you one other thing that i thought was surprising today. secretary of treasury tim geithner proposed limiting purview over the federal borrowing limit, which is another way of saying give the president, any future president, give the president without a limit, without conceive sight. is that how you see that? >> sure. if you were a liberal, you wanted to run up the biggest possible deficit. frankly the congress ought to move in the opposite direction and start hearings of oversight on the federal reserve, which has put far more money into the economy than the treasury has, and which has yielded far more economic power the treasury. the amount of power that ben bernanke has chairman of the federal reserve is totally inappropriate in a free society. again, i would have the house republicans organize virtually every committee and
they're not about to do anything that helps with the deficit. they want higher taxes to spend even more money to put even more power in washington, d.c. to have an even bigger bureaucracy. >> greta: all right. let me tell you one other thing that i thought was surprising today. secretary of treasury tim geithner proposed limiting purview over the federal borrowing limit, which is another way of saying give the president, any future president, give the president without a limit, without...
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locale raising state and taxes to solve their deficit problems. something to keep in mind when we talk about these detention caps. you could be pushed up against a deduction if you live in new york. if you live in new york and have high state and local taxes, if congress moves forward with a deduction cap, you could go right up to that cap. host: 24% of those were claiming the earned income tax credits. 13% climb in the child tax credit. these credits, you can use them simultaneously. guest: some of these are refundable which means you get money back even if your tax bill is zero. whatever the refundable amount is, you get to take home. host: we will go to ray in atlanta, georgia. caller: how much will an individual or can an individual receive who has two children in a single-parent household? what is the maximum amount of money they receive back in the form of tax credits? once you look at that and if there at that dollar level, we're finding their children for free and reduced lunch and i assume adding some additional money for their housing. w
locale raising state and taxes to solve their deficit problems. something to keep in mind when we talk about these detention caps. you could be pushed up against a deduction if you live in new york. if you live in new york and have high state and local taxes, if congress moves forward with a deduction cap, you could go right up to that cap. host: 24% of those were claiming the earned income tax credits. 13% climb in the child tax credit. these credits, you can use them simultaneously. guest:...
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then we can work in earnest together to reduce the deficit in a balanced way that will make sure we don't first throw the middle class under the bus. that whatever we put forward have spending cuts and revenue that is going to take care of the middle class and make sure that we have spending cuts and revenue that ensures that they're fair and that the math works. there has been no evidence thus far that the republicans are interested in doing that. >> this has been the perfect opportunity for them to step forward and show some leadership. the majority of americans do want this right now. congresswoman, the president has asked you to stay on as d next c chair. what is the way forward for the democrats? what's happening here? >> well, we need to continue to focus on rebuilding our economy from the middle class out. president obama talked eloquently and passionately during the campaign about making sure that we can get a handle on this deficit, that we can rebuild our economy from the middle class out, that we can focus on creating jobs and getting the economy turned around, and that's what
then we can work in earnest together to reduce the deficit in a balanced way that will make sure we don't first throw the middle class under the bus. that whatever we put forward have spending cuts and revenue that is going to take care of the middle class and make sure that we have spending cuts and revenue that ensures that they're fair and that the math works. there has been no evidence thus far that the republicans are interested in doing that. >> this has been the perfect opportunity...
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that's simpson of simpson-bowles. >> that was the commission working to reduce the deficit. there's your commission chairman. whatever gets folks' attention, right? the work not in vain. there's your chairman. looking good, allen. break it down. looks good in everything. >>> you know those dog owners who swear that fido really genuinely is pretty smart. >> let's not offend all of the dog owners. they are smart. >> look at this. some proof here. experts are teaching dogs how to drive. they say it took only eight weeks for the canines to master the basics. >> it's part of an animal welfare campaign in new zealand to show you intelligent dogs are. the drivers are all rescue dogs that may have been doomed otherwise. and i think they might be doomed behind the wheel of a car. >> you want to put your life in fido's hands, you go right ahead, folks. >>> for some of you, your local news is coming up next. >>> for some of you, your local news is coming up next. don't go far. i want answers! ♪ oh. right. kay. [ female announcer ] it's true, every kiss does begin with kay. introducin
that's simpson of simpson-bowles. >> that was the commission working to reduce the deficit. there's your commission chairman. whatever gets folks' attention, right? the work not in vain. there's your chairman. looking good, allen. break it down. looks good in everything. >>> you know those dog owners who swear that fido really genuinely is pretty smart. >> let's not offend all of the dog owners. they are smart. >> look at this. some proof here. experts are teaching...
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in other words don't shoot the democrat santa clause which we pay for by the way to reduce the deficit or bernie sanders of the progress is understand is that democrats haven't been playing santa claus for the last eighty years just to win elections they don't play santa claus to save the nation and our economic system as we know it face of the great depression and communist revolutions around the world roosevelt had to enact the new deal just to save capitalism itself in america and the american people were willing to pay for it faced with the crisis of poverty the one nine hundred sixty s. and the hardships senior citizens are facing upon retirement l.b.j. enacted the great society and medicare because the people wanted gifts from santa claus but because people needed help and providing for the general welfare is according to our constitution one of the main purposes for which our government itself was created and despite what limbaugh o'reilly and other con say providing student loan relief isn't a gift it's a necessity now that outstanding student loan is topped up trillion dollars
in other words don't shoot the democrat santa clause which we pay for by the way to reduce the deficit or bernie sanders of the progress is understand is that democrats haven't been playing santa claus for the last eighty years just to win elections they don't play santa claus to save the nation and our economic system as we know it face of the great depression and communist revolutions around the world roosevelt had to enact the new deal just to save capitalism itself in america and the...
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social security didn't contribute to the deficits and debt. i don't think there will be any appetite whatsoever for touching social security. but those points i think democrats are quite unified on. the area where i think there is room for negotiation and compromise is, the rates are going to go up. i think we all recognize that. will the rates go up completely? are there other ways where they can come up somewhat short of that but make up the revenues by reducing deductions from higher income families? >> so the deal that we're talking about is halfway between the current rate and the former rate? >> well, i wouldn't say halfway. but i would say, as long as you can get to the revenues, if you can increase the rates and reduce the deductions for upper income households, you can get to the same dollar number and i think there's a willingness to entertain that. it does tend to complicate the tax code. the simplest way is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code
social security didn't contribute to the deficits and debt. i don't think there will be any appetite whatsoever for touching social security. but those points i think democrats are quite unified on. the area where i think there is room for negotiation and compromise is, the rates are going to go up. i think we all recognize that. will the rates go up completely? are there other ways where they can come up somewhat short of that but make up the revenues by reducing deductions from higher income...
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shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats to say that it is better to go off that cliff than to get a bad deal. and i'm wondering if you agree because it seems like the ceos who came out of the meeting with the president yesterday were most worried or at least seriously worried about the effect of not getting a deal on time and the effect that will have on the economy. >> we absolutely want to avoid going over the fiscal cliff because it would be a big drag on the economy. >> but are you willing to do that? >> what we're willing to do is come up with a package that both accelerates economic recovery, but also begins to reduce the long term defi
shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats...
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the deficit right now is. the notion that something terrible will happen if we don't deal with the deficit right away. the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you look
the deficit right now is. the notion that something terrible will happen if we don't deal with the deficit right away. the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial...
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don't think we have a president that is serious about getting our debt under control and getting our deficit, which the federal government spending under control, especially when you understand that we have fha in trouble, we have the post office in trouble, we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff. and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president calvin coolidge did and president jfk did, john f. kennedy did when they went in and lowered tax rates and you increase revenues which is exactly what we're talking about. >> were you-- did you feel like it was a bait and switch from president obama from what you'd heard about in the campaign and light on the details, but that's one of the things i've heard from members of congress that they thought, wait a second, that's not at all what you thought was going to happen. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. what you see happening right now, dana, is really the art of politics, versus the science of good policy and i think we need to move away from campaign mode and we need to do the things tha
don't think we have a president that is serious about getting our debt under control and getting our deficit, which the federal government spending under control, especially when you understand that we have fha in trouble, we have the post office in trouble, we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff. and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president calvin coolidge did and president jfk did, john f. kennedy did when they went in and...
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and that social security has nothing to do with the deficit. it is solvent and until 2037. medicare is solvent until 2024. you think where we're at, i know as i listen then the question would the republicans get anything, i don't even want to use the word conceding coming together on behalf of the american people where 62% believe on november 6th when the race was over the vote was really on whether or not should be a fair tax burden on those --. melissa: i'll give that to you. let's go ahead and raise taxes. say we do that. that doesn't get us close to solving the problem. i mean we still have $16.3 trillion in debt. we are still running $4 billion a day beyond what we're making. we this huge problem in this country. if it was a house you would throw uppyour arms in distress say, my god, we can never pay all these bills. that is sort of the point. >> i'm not in distress on that. first of all with the tax rrlief for 98% of the americans, we'll turn a reasoned amount of a trillion upwards back into the treasury. that is the first step. secondarily, a lot of economists will m
and that social security has nothing to do with the deficit. it is solvent and until 2037. medicare is solvent until 2024. you think where we're at, i know as i listen then the question would the republicans get anything, i don't even want to use the word conceding coming together on behalf of the american people where 62% believe on november 6th when the race was over the vote was really on whether or not should be a fair tax burden on those --. melissa: i'll give that to you. let's go ahead...
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we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration, the question is, is it in their interest to trade tax cuts for the wealthy? increase for the wealthy for raising the age for eligibility for medicare, for example. i'm not sure that that's a trade that they are eager to make immediately. >> let me show you the side by side comparison. the president wants $1.6 trillion in revenue and republicans want to cap the same deductions for the rich but republicans want to change the age to 67 and change the way they calculate social security payments. i wonder, though, when we look at these numbers, a
we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring....
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however, bearing in mind there are deficits that have to be covered. and there are spending that has to be reached. and in that environment, there is no other alternative but for higher taxes. do you think europeans like paying 40, 50% taxes? but the alternative is not nearly so pleasant. i've just been to iceland, high taxes, high rate of living. and an economy that is actually recovering better than anywhere else from the financial crisis. so ali velshi, do taxes have to rise? yes, in the united states. >> richard, always my pleasure to see from you across the pond. richard quest. let's talk about where the taxes sometimes go. infrastructure, superstorm sandy exposed dangerous flaws in u.s. infrastructure. coming up next, i'll tell you how investing in infrastructure will not only help get the power back on faster after the next storm but could be the key to jobs and the boom we've all been waiting for. you are watching "your money" on cnn. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve.
however, bearing in mind there are deficits that have to be covered. and there are spending that has to be reached. and in that environment, there is no other alternative but for higher taxes. do you think europeans like paying 40, 50% taxes? but the alternative is not nearly so pleasant. i've just been to iceland, high taxes, high rate of living. and an economy that is actually recovering better than anywhere else from the financial crisis. so ali velshi, do taxes have to rise? yes, in the...
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as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing the hands of future administrations. lots of crazy things happen when there are no rules. for a long time, there were no rules. >> not to mention, you use a credit discount rate for pension, liabilities. i will say, first states have cut spending but they have to cut way more according to to gao, they have to cut at least 13% every year. their reason is, one of the things we should not forget is one of the things we should do when times are good is actually save money. >> yes. >> it's not what states have done. when time was good, they were spending, spending, spending and spending. in fact, states, when private gdps gr
as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing...
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it has no effect on deficit. it will have no effect on rescuing us and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the economy. >> stephanie: how many times can we -- can it be said and proven the deficits were caused by the bush tax cuts? >> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the sidecar. we continue with right-wing world next on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's really weird but it's also the coolest thing i've ever heard in my whole life. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can
it has no effect on deficit. it will have no effect on rescuing us and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the economy. >> stephanie: how many times can we -- can it be said and proven the deficits were caused by the bush tax cuts? >> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the...
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not the deficit. the debt. i'm trying to get enough money in here so that we can go from 16 to 15 to 14, you see? >> we get rid of a trillion dollars very quickly by taking a half trillion a year. >> bill: what you just said is how you get rid of it. you raise the retirement rate for social security for a couple of years. >> medicare as well. >> bill: not for people who are over 45. under 45 or maybe 48. but the people who bought into the system. >> you are already into the details. and we're losing the parameters here. >> bill: i'm sorry. detail guy. i'm sorry. >> that's terrific. but, until we -- and we have to make one more rule on this. >> bill: what's is that. >> you go to the table. same table. either obama's table or boehner's and you talk straight. >> bill: at the table they're both there and they don't get to go to the bathroom until they get something. >> it's going to be a little faster negotiation than i thought. can we call it with that one addendum the dobbs reilly plan will be. >> bill: will be o
not the deficit. the debt. i'm trying to get enough money in here so that we can go from 16 to 15 to 14, you see? >> we get rid of a trillion dollars very quickly by taking a half trillion a year. >> bill: what you just said is how you get rid of it. you raise the retirement rate for social security for a couple of years. >> medicare as well. >> bill: not for people who are over 45. under 45 or maybe 48. but the people who bought into the system. >> you are already...
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now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is on the tax revenues. you can tax every millionaire 100% and run the government for two or three months. this is a spending driven crisis and it has to be solved on the spending side. until the president gets serious about it, i'm not sure what there is to talk about, soledad. >> i'm not sure that the only conversations have just been on the tax side. i actually think there have been conversations on both. at this moment, right, we're going over or toward the fiscal cliff. if you do nothing, all of our taxes are going up. why not, as a first move, say, listen, nobody at this point wants to raise taxes on the middle class and people who are lower income. so let's do some kind of a deal now and that will keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. then let the tax cuts expire for the wealthy january 1st. it happens. then you can do some kind of negotiation. and that keeps us from going over the fiscal cliff. it's going to ha
now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is on the tax revenues. you can tax every millionaire 100% and run the government for two or three months. this is a spending driven crisis and it has to be solved on the spending side. until the president gets serious about it, i'm not sure what there is to talk about, soledad. >> i'm not sure that the only conversations have just been on the tax side. i actually think...
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deficit reduction proposal. they spoke to reporters in the capitol for about 10 minutes. >> good morning everyone. you know, this week, we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and included additional revenue. and frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president's been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. our targets and framework are things that we can all agree on. and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group, my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago and for that matter, in the joint select committee. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. if you look at the plans that the white house has talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we are ready and eager
deficit reduction proposal. they spoke to reporters in the capitol for about 10 minutes. >> good morning everyone. you know, this week, we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and included additional revenue. and frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president's been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. our targets and framework are...
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we need more problem solvers that are willing to come together like the deficit and job crisis that we continue to want to tackle. so i think you do see him saying, hey, i have this idea. we're going to take it by the storm. it didn't work. the president is still standing and moving forward. and i think there's some in his party who are eager to try to get a balanced approach and prevent us from going off this cliff which would be a very serious thing and we're right up against it. >> don't they have, joe, a real civil war going on in the republican party when you have on one hand sarah palin open fending the tea party's role saying on facebook, for all this new talk about how the gop needs a populous movement, it would do them good to remember they already have them. it's called a tea party movement and it won for them the majority they now enjoy in the house. this is palin. but on the other side, the "new york times" says today that boehner has consolidated his grip on republicans in the house. the times says many house republicans appear to view mr. boehner with the same sort of res
we need more problem solvers that are willing to come together like the deficit and job crisis that we continue to want to tackle. so i think you do see him saying, hey, i have this idea. we're going to take it by the storm. it didn't work. the president is still standing and moving forward. and i think there's some in his party who are eager to try to get a balanced approach and prevent us from going off this cliff which would be a very serious thing and we're right up against it. >>...
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there is a bottom-line amount of revenue that is required in order for us to get a real, meaningful deficit reduction plan. >> obama added that if republican officials acknowledged this reality, the actual numbers proposed by each party are not that far apart. republicans have made a counteroffer. they want to raise revenue by reviewing the current tax deduke system. house speaker john boehner has urged the president to compromise. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. now we need a response from the white house. >> unless the two sides reach an agreement by the end of this year, the automatic tax increases and spending cuts will take effect in the new year. >>> time to get a check on the markets now. the nikkei here in tokyo rose above the key 9,500 level as concerns about the u.s. economy eased. the nikkei index right now trading at 9521, a gain of over .5% from wednesday's close. traders said positive remarks about a fiscal cliff deal by president obama are aiding share prices. i guess port-related issues are leading the gains as the weakening tren
there is a bottom-line amount of revenue that is required in order for us to get a real, meaningful deficit reduction plan. >> obama added that if republican officials acknowledged this reality, the actual numbers proposed by each party are not that far apart. republicans have made a counteroffer. they want to raise revenue by reviewing the current tax deduke system. house speaker john boehner has urged the president to compromise. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax...
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so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we see and hear about the fact this two-step plan getting something done for the middle class by the end of the year, does this set up the scenario we live in a perpetual state of fiscal cliff loopness, this is the same old dog and pony show every six months to a year fighting over the same things and not big, bold leadership? >> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to president obama and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending
so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we...
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that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last year? i went through your press releases from last year. and i have them in front of me. it's domestic violence, marriage equality, war on women, richard murdoch, love your body day, abortion ban, war on women, abortion, i mean, on and on and on. i don't see anything in here that talks about the unemployment crisis. why now? >> actually, we have been talking about the unemployment crisis. i'll send you all the materials that we've put out about that previously. one of the things that we actually spent an enormous amount of time and resources on last y
that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last...
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the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted the solution to our problems were more tax cuts. president clinton handed him a $236 billion surplus. a surplus. and left office with a $1.2 trillion deficit. but he just had to keep those tax cuts coming, but something remarkable may be happening in our politics. we're on the verge of something big. after decades of silliness, this lock-step republican fantasy that has hurt our country, president obama is close to breaking the gop tax unity. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. you know, he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. and when you look at the math, it doesn't work. if we're going to protect middle class families, then we're going to have to have higher rates for the wealthiest americans, folks like me. >> read his lips, no deal without a tax increase on the richest in this country. and get this, president obama is winning this argument. remember the ant
the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted the solution to our problems were more tax cuts. president clinton handed him a $236 billion surplus. a surplus. and left office with a $1.2 trillion deficit. but he just had to keep those tax cuts coming, but something remarkable may be happening in our politics. we're on the verge of something big. after decades of silliness, this lock-step republican fantasy that has hurt our country, president obama is close to breaking the gop tax unity....
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and he ran on a plan by saying that those savings would then be aplayed to deficit -- applied to deficit reduction, which we know is so critical. and we saw what people thought about that. he was reelected by a wide margin. the american people want us to come together, to work together in a bipartisan way to reduce the deficit, and they support the approach that starts by making sure that middle-class families are not once again asked to pay for the full burden of what needs to be done. they support an effort that says, extend tax cuts for middle-class families and ask those at the very top, who have gotten extra tax cuts, to forego those and chip in to be part of the larger deficit reduction solution. unfortunately, yesterday, speaker boehner ignored this when he offered a republican counterproposal to the president's proposal that would essentially raise taxes on middle-class families and cut medicare for our senior citizens. as senator reid said yesterday, it flunks the test of balance. to get the kind of revenue to reduce the deficit that is needed, and that we all agree on has to be
and he ran on a plan by saying that those savings would then be aplayed to deficit -- applied to deficit reduction, which we know is so critical. and we saw what people thought about that. he was reelected by a wide margin. the american people want us to come together, to work together in a bipartisan way to reduce the deficit, and they support the approach that starts by making sure that middle-class families are not once again asked to pay for the full burden of what needs to be done. they...
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going to require what i talked about in the campaign, which is a balanced, responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure the country grows. >> tom: the president rejected the proposal republicans presented him yesterday. it would cut the debt by $2.2 trillion over ten years, but would not raise taxes on america's highest earners, the biggest sticking point. the two sides seem to be allowing themselves room to bargain. the president said today he'd be open to lowering tax rates for high earners later next year as part of a broad tax reform package. and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell did not directly endorse the g.o.p. plan. for now, house speaker boehner put the ball in the president's court, releasing a statement: "the president now has an obligation to respond with a proposal that can pass both chambers of congress." >> susie: we turn tonight to other opinions on the fiscal cliff impasse. we talk with the chairman of the national governor's association, and we also hear from a leading advocate for responsible fiscal policy. we be
going to require what i talked about in the campaign, which is a balanced, responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure the country grows. >> tom: the president rejected the proposal republicans presented him yesterday. it would cut the debt by $2.2 trillion over ten years, but would not raise taxes on america's highest earners, the biggest sticking point. the two sides seem to be allowing themselves room to bargain. the president said...
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how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, alongside that we're prepared to do some very detailed things on the spending side, and we're -- >> there's no guarantee, right? didn't that say that? at least according to the read-out we got, your plan, so you can feel free to correct me because you haven't given me a read-out of it. >> guaranteed up front measurable savings scored by sea enacted into law. the only guarantee is when congress enacts policies. >> you would be willing to go for specific things and guarantee that there would be a specific amount of cuts? >> of course, of course. >> but that's next year? >> no, that's not tr
how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, alongside...
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he does not want to address the deficit. he should be calling for tax rate increases across the board and the elimination of many of the deductions that currently deprive the treasury of quite a bit of revenue. there is a lot of talk about how raising the tax rate for the top tier of newcomers will bring in -- income earners wil bring in like de dollars billion per year. at the same time -- in like $80 billion. the losses from the mortgage rate deduction is on the order of $100 billion per year. i believe president obama really wants to spend more money. spending is so important that he has to call for shared sacrifice across the board rather than targeting a very small portion of the population and asking them to pay all the bills for the programs that he wants to spend on. host: do you agree with the grover norquist tax pledge to not raise taxes? caller: in service of the tax rates? yes, i do. i am also left scratching my head because i believe when the bush tax cuts were put into effect that many democrats oppose those as
he does not want to address the deficit. he should be calling for tax rate increases across the board and the elimination of many of the deductions that currently deprive the treasury of quite a bit of revenue. there is a lot of talk about how raising the tax rate for the top tier of newcomers will bring in -- income earners wil bring in like de dollars billion per year. at the same time -- in like $80 billion. the losses from the mortgage rate deduction is on the order of $100 billion per...
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bill clinton increased taxes from 35 to 39%, started with a $300 billion deficit. ended with a trillion dollar surplus. all of you and i think you on television predictedicted thered be a recession. 23 million jobs later, there was no recession. >> lanny, if what you say is true, that the clinton tax cuts did it, why doesn't barack obama say let's have back all of the clinton tax hikes? let's have back all of the clinton tax increases object on everybody and we'll have a boom because he knows in his heart what he knew in 2010. you raise taxes on everybody, and a weak economy like we've got and you will send it into the dumpster. that's what he's threatening to do. >> that's a fair point. that's the reason it's a weak economy. when bill clinton raised taes and ended up with a surplus, conservatives like yourself loved the fact we had a surplus underather than under the last o administrations. we now have a $16 trillion national debt. >> one question, lanny. under bill clinton, they cut defense spending from reagan 6% of gdp to 3%. cut it in half as a percentage of t
bill clinton increased taxes from 35 to 39%, started with a $300 billion deficit. ended with a trillion dollar surplus. all of you and i think you on television predictedicted thered be a recession. 23 million jobs later, there was no recession. >> lanny, if what you say is true, that the clinton tax cuts did it, why doesn't barack obama say let's have back all of the clinton tax hikes? let's have back all of the clinton tax increases object on everybody and we'll have a boom because he...
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. >> the percentage of your debt -- not the deficit to gdp? >> deficit to gdp. now, we do not want to get there that way. the same way we do not want to go over the fiscal class. the fiscal cliff is big austerity -- you get $seven trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. but you do not do it you really want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, you have to work together as part of an agreement to get to the right baseline. that does not mean it is not real world deficit-reduction. it is. does it mean it is better than current law? maybe not. but there is agreement that current law, including the fiscal cliff, is not the best way. >> we have our baseline. deficit to gdp? >> did i say that? >> just to be clear -- if you look to the 10-year period on the current base line and get under 1% deficit to gdp in 10 years -- >> because you get seven years of debt reduction under current law. >> if anyone wants to read more, please read the piece on what it takes. i thank you all for being here today. one reason we have to and is these poor people will be so instrum
. >> the percentage of your debt -- not the deficit to gdp? >> deficit to gdp. now, we do not want to get there that way. the same way we do not want to go over the fiscal class. the fiscal cliff is big austerity -- you get $seven trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. but you do not do it you really want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, you have to work together as part of an agreement to get to the right baseline. that does not mean it is not real world...
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balanced deficit reduction package that will do enormous good to our economy. and the kind of package that i should not leave out, that includes targeted investments so our economy continues to grow and create jobs. it would, as i said on a number of occasions, deficit reduction in an of itself is not a goal, it should be part of an economic plan is that is focused on economic growth and job creation. the president is very focus odden that. >> just a second ago, you referred to, when talking about the debt ceiling, taking it off the table, to be part of the deal. you referred to the economy being held hostage. you're aware that president obama voted against -- >> we addressed that. there was no threat of default at the time. what happened in 2011, as we all know because we all lived it, most of us in this room, was the threat of default, a willingness expressed by many to see the american economy under default and with all the consequent impacts on the global economy and on the american middle class. . in order to do that and was enormously damaging to consumer
balanced deficit reduction package that will do enormous good to our economy. and the kind of package that i should not leave out, that includes targeted investments so our economy continues to grow and create jobs. it would, as i said on a number of occasions, deficit reduction in an of itself is not a goal, it should be part of an economic plan is that is focused on economic growth and job creation. the president is very focus odden that. >> just a second ago, you referred to, when...
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the goal is not to get rid of the budget deficit. i don't think anyone who's involved in this process has a realistic hope of getting rid of the budget deficit. that they would love to get it down to a manageable level. when you talk about that, certainly opinions differ. you can make a big, big dent in the unmanageable part of the deficit with closing or reducing loopholes. >> host: do you expect to see them play a role in negotiation and talks? you mention how there is a group advocating for everyone of these deductions, people are used to getting them. could they end up on the chopping block? >> guest: they are on the table. republicans put them on the table and say we'd rather do this. but rather get rid of tax breaks that raise rates. in the end, you probably will see some of those. this is a process that will go on for the better part of the year. said during the process of negotiating a deal, you'll see some of those. >> host: john mckinnon is a reporter for "the wall street journal." we are talking about tax loopholes and ded
the goal is not to get rid of the budget deficit. i don't think anyone who's involved in this process has a realistic hope of getting rid of the budget deficit. that they would love to get it down to a manageable level. when you talk about that, certainly opinions differ. you can make a big, big dent in the unmanageable part of the deficit with closing or reducing loopholes. >> host: do you expect to see them play a role in negotiation and talks? you mention how there is a group...
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or ten-year deficit projections, something like 70 billion off 1.14 trillion deficit. it won't make a big dent. why is he so dedicated to it? that being said, carol, despite the fact that it sends me a little off kilter, yes, republicans lost the election. they don't have a ton of leverage. they want to try to achieve a deal that they think is going to maximize potential good for the country, meaning spending reform, budget deficit reduction, but the truth is that they don't have a ton of leverage in forcing president obama to take a look at medicare and social security to bring this conversation full circle that really mean serious budget and deficit reform. >> well, i'm sure that the majority of americans are hoping the two sides will come to some sort of deal. wouldn't that be nice? that would be a nice christmas present. will cain, thank you. >> yeah, you bet. >> thanks so much. >>> one of the top u.s. banks out with a pretty rosie prediction for next year. could it be enough to save your 401(k) from that fiscal cliff? ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfa
or ten-year deficit projections, something like 70 billion off 1.14 trillion deficit. it won't make a big dent. why is he so dedicated to it? that being said, carol, despite the fact that it sends me a little off kilter, yes, republicans lost the election. they don't have a ton of leverage. they want to try to achieve a deal that they think is going to maximize potential good for the country, meaning spending reform, budget deficit reduction, but the truth is that they don't have a ton of...
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brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we can do that. we have a good chance, and it's very important. and i think we'll get there, david. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. because the only thing standing in the way of that is a refusal by republicans to accept that rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans. and i don't really see them doing that. >> the idea that they have signalled something significant for them, which is -- >> what is that? >> putting revenue on the table. >> it's welcome that they are recognizing that revenues are going to have to go up. but they haven't told us anything about how far rates should go up, how far revenues should go up, who should pay higher taxes. >> republicans have said that no republicans will vote for a tax rate increase. do you think they are just bluffing? >> i can't tell you what t
brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we can do that. we have a good chance, and it's very important. and i think we'll get there, david. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. because the only thing standing in the way of that is a refusal by republicans to accept that rates have to go up on the...
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howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said that, my own view is, that going over the fiscal cliff is only the second worst thing that can happen. the worst thing that can happen would be for congress to simply kick the can down the road on everything. >> that's exactly right. >> extend all the taxes, extend all the spending, let life go merrily on the way it is. we cannot let that happen. it is time to address the deficit. and if going over the
howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where...
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some of the nation's leading c.e.o.s have banded together with deficit commission co- chairs erskine bowles and alan simpson to launch the "fix the debt" campaign. darren gersh spoke with maya macguineas, one of the organizers of the campaign. darren began by asking her if the business leaders are making a difference. >> i think the whole campaign is making a difference in that what we actually have is now over 300,000 citizens, 2,500 small businesses, well over 100 c.e.o.s and partners across the country who are basically trying to deliver a message that is different. and the message isn't take this off the table, take this off the table, take this off the table, at which point you have nothing left on the table and we can't fix the problem. but it is, we want the country to come together. we want them to come up with a plan that is big enough to fix the problem, and we want them to do it in a way that is bipartisan. on the business leaders, they have, up until this moment, not been that involved in the issue. last summer, when we had the debacle about the debt ceiling, einsmall i t
some of the nation's leading c.e.o.s have banded together with deficit commission co- chairs erskine bowles and alan simpson to launch the "fix the debt" campaign. darren gersh spoke with maya macguineas, one of the organizers of the campaign. darren began by asking her if the business leaders are making a difference. >> i think the whole campaign is making a difference in that what we actually have is now over 300,000 citizens, 2,500 small businesses, well over 100 c.e.o.s and...
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are we trying to get our arms around the debt and deficits? are we trying to create jobs? what's the goal of this whole charade? >> both. i wouldn't call it a charade. in the near-term, we're trying to keep this recovery going. that's why the payroll tax holiday extension is so needed and the small amount of new investments and unemployment insurance in the president's offer. that has to be balanced, of course, in the long-term with real spending cuts. >> and where are those? >> he's got another $400 billion, plus the interest savings. it's a balanced approach. if you add it up, it stabilizes the debt over the next decade. if we did that, that would be a tremendous step forward. >> where would those $400 billion in spending cuts come from? >> they come from public health care programs, but not through cuts to beneficiaries. they're real cuts. i have to say, at this point the president is the only one who's actually put spending cuts on the table. where's the republican offer? >> he's not put his medicaid cuts on the table. he put a number on the table. what i think one of
are we trying to get our arms around the debt and deficits? are we trying to create jobs? what's the goal of this whole charade? >> both. i wouldn't call it a charade. in the near-term, we're trying to keep this recovery going. that's why the payroll tax holiday extension is so needed and the small amount of new investments and unemployment insurance in the president's offer. that has to be balanced, of course, in the long-term with real spending cuts. >> and where are those?...
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we are facing huge deficits and a looming fiscal cliff. i want to come out and say this and help the president get this? >> i use the word patriotism. when i was a kid i grew up in two u.s. internment camps. in the swamps of arkansas. we lived in california. >> you were hauled out there. >> to arkansas and later transferred to another one in northern california. but we were there because we happened to look like the people that bombed pearl harbor. a year into it the government realized there was a wartime manpower shortage. and when the military was opened up. thousands of young japanese americans went to fight for this country. they were put into a segregated unit and fought on the bloody battlefields in europe. and came back the most decorated and exercised something that was very important. they did it for their family certainly, but for the greater good because they loved america. they sacrificed themselves and many many perished on those fields and that is the kind of situation we are faced with now and those republicans can't seem t
we are facing huge deficits and a looming fiscal cliff. i want to come out and say this and help the president get this? >> i use the word patriotism. when i was a kid i grew up in two u.s. internment camps. in the swamps of arkansas. we lived in california. >> you were hauled out there. >> to arkansas and later transferred to another one in northern california. but we were there because we happened to look like the people that bombed pearl harbor. a year into it the...